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Topic Title: Topical finasteride log
Topic Summary: Trying out topical fin with minoxidil, nizoral and fin pills
Created On: 04/08/2017 01:24 AM
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 04/08/2017 01:24 AM
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Myboyblue13
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I will be receiving and starting my new treatment next week. I will be taking .625mg of fin pills everyday, shampooing 2x a week with nizoral and the other days with a biotin shampoo (with my own added Rosemary, ginger and tea tree oils infused). I will take a .25mg solution of finasteride and mix it into my minoxidil. I will quit finasteride pills depending on how well my scalp reacts to the topical fin and I may make the solution a little stronger if I go this route. If a topical like minoxidil can be as effective as it is, I don't see why topical fin wouldn't be just as effective and being less systemic would avoid the side effects for sure. I'm choosing .25mg of fin because I saw that concentration in a successful topical fin trial.
 04/08/2017 01:49 AM
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el_duterino
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i did try topical fin in the past

after a while it builds up in blood and you the same side effects as oral basically

so you only get a few days or week of side effect free time

still, the best low side effect and high effectiveness topical are ru or cb , far better than topical fin

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FIN 98~04
DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
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CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo
 04/08/2017 09:34 AM
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I think that the side effects were in your head because there is no way for the drug to build up in your system. The half life is only 6-8hrs and there is no way of it building up.
 04/09/2017 08:08 AM
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The terminal elimination half-life (t1/2z) is 4.7 to 7.1 hours; but despite this, slow accumulation occurs with multiple doses

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8846625

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FIN 98~04
DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo
 04/09/2017 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by: el_duterino

The terminal elimination half-life (t1/2z) is 4.7 to 7.1 hours; but despite this, slow accumulation occurs with multiple doses



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8846625


Well in the study, it didn't even mention the dosage and considering that .25mg is extremely low as a oral dosage, it would be even less systemic as a topical dosage. It stated that doses at .5mg don't suppress much in DHT levels, so imagine what half that dosage would potentially suppress. If you took .25mg orally, you'd have .07mg accumulated after one day and topical is more efficient than oral fin (.25mg= 70% reduction in scalp DHT vs 1mg pill=50%)
 04/09/2017 07:45 PM
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Propecia has been out for 20 years and the reason why there isn't a topical product is that it may only be marginally better than oral at best, worse if absorption is not good and then you will get the same side effects after a while depending on how much you use

if you want a far more effective topical with no side effects, then CB or RU are far superior in both aspects so this discussion isn't really worth it today. It could have been an intersting option in 1998 but not anymore

CB will be available in 2018 or 2019 once the acne product is out. Until then i am using the Chinese made version that I have been using for years without issues.

Cb and Ru can block all DHT and also T at the scalp level and this works better at the hairline, better than FIN and DUT and without the systemic effects

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FIN 98~04
DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo
 04/16/2017 07:06 PM
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How have you been doing on CB?
 04/17/2017 10:37 PM
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Actually I used CB for about 6 months but could not notice any difference with RU so I am back on RU since a year ago.
RU is cheap, easy to dissolve and easy to obtain in pure-good quality form.

I only need about 15mg a day because my scalp is very porous now with all the acohol

CB is far more expensive as its harder to make apparently. Not sure what the latest prices are. Still either way, CB or RU work the same way.
CB my be harder to penetrate as its molecular weight is bigger so a porous scalp will help with a good massage while applying it

I have been using RU since 2008 on daily basis or EOD and stopped all internal DHT blockers (DUT and FIN) since about 2009 and haven't lost anymore hair at the hairline or crown so I am pretty satisfied.

Minox and Stemox are also a must in the mix , that's the best combo with zero sides for me. I had low libido on DUT not so much FIN

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FIN 98~04
DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo

Edited: 04/17/2017 at 10:46 PM by el_duterino
 04/23/2017 06:58 PM
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Well I started the topical on 4/17/17 and I've decided to stop taking the pills too. So recapping, I'm applying a .25mg fin solution with 2ml of 5% minoxidil everyday, washing my hair 2x a week with nizoral and the other 5 days with a biotin shampoo that has ginger root extract, tea tree and rosemary in it. I stopped wearing a beanie that was actually pulling my hair out like crazy and my hair is looking decent now. Now that I'm off the fin pills, I have noticed that I was experiencing some slight side effects but they quickly went away. And it felt as though the finasteride was draining my energy really bad! Cheers!
 04/24/2017 09:05 PM
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El Duterino,

I did a little research into stemoydine and I really like what I have read, minus the price part. If I'm able to buy a decent supply cheaply, I'm going to add that into the regiment. I've read about RU and though it seems to be legit, it's not really cheap. I can get liquid fin (1.5 year supply for $30) or pills for the year for $30. All this hair stuff can really add up to some real $$$
 04/24/2017 11:59 PM
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Myboyblue13

I use minox foam, the garnier version of stemox and RU and by far the cheapest part of the combo is RU

last time I ordered 10g (10,000mg) I payed like 200 USD and maybe its even less now so 1mg of RU costs 200/10,000 which is

0.02 USD and you only need about 10 to 20 mg a day with short hair - I use 15mg so that costs 0.3 USD a day

YES 30 CENTS A DAY you read that right

I store my RU well packed in the freezer and that will last a long time so I only order once every 2 years, take a bit out at a time and store in the fridge in a small bottle

you will need a precise scale to weight the amount that's the only cost upfront

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FIN 98~04
DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo
 04/25/2017 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by: el_duterino

Myboyblue13



I use minox foam, the garnier version of stemox and RU and by far the cheapest part of the combo is RU



last time I ordered 10g (10,000mg) I payed like 200 USD and maybe its even less now so 1mg of RU costs 200/10,000 which is



0.02 USD and you only need about 10 to 20 mg a day with short hair - I use 15mg so that costs 0.3 USD a day



YES 30 CENTS A DAY you read that right



I store my RU well packed in the freezer and that will last a long time so I only order once every 2 years, take a bit out at a time and store in the fridge in a small bottle


That's still kinda pricey for me since I only spend about $55 on my fin and minoxidil for a year supply.... I'll keep looking, the stemoxydine is really interesting me but that's also very expensive. .


you will need a precise scale to weight the amount that's the only cost upfront
 04/26/2017 09:35 PM
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well if you can only afford 55 dollars per year for your hair then you should not even bother with these forums dude, anythting is going to cost a lot more

RU at 30 cents a day is nothing unless you live in some very poor country, and besides this is meant to avoid a far more expensive hairline hair transplant down the road

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FIN 98~04
DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo
 04/27/2017 07:50 AM
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Keeping your hair is an investment, whether it be monetary or not!

If you think its pricey, $50, even $200 a year then you might as well get a buzz cut and stop caring.

I'm 22, been treating for 2 years and I've spent at least $2000 on various drugs, vitamins, oils, shampoos etc.

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